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This century of civilisation in Ukraine and Russia has been a century of thinking,
technological thinking rather than philosophical thinking; in technological thinking we
have a very high potential.
We think that perhaps in ten years, Ukraine could begin to play another role. But
Ukraine is a civil country, a European country and a country with peace on its mind. We
do not want war! In our country, three-quarters of the population died in two wars which
is why we no longer want war of any kind. Nor do we want other countries thinking we
are a foolish country.
I hope you understand now that I represent the people of my country, who are not
foolish. You have to understand that we do not want to be the base for any kind of
terrorism and we will do our best not to be such a base.
Moreover, we think that European Russia, i.e., Moscow or St. Petersburg, is the
cleverest part of Russia and none of its citizens want any war at all. That is why we
include our thinking in our undertanding of conflicts; we want to show you that we are
ready to discuss with you and join with you against any kind of cyberterrorism. I believe
that Ukraine is at the forefront of this issue.
Handy : Assuming NATO embraces a common definition of cyberwar, because that
was one of the arguments of your presentation, to give us all a common definition, have
you any thoughts as to what NATO's common response should be to an act of cyberwar
from any type of outside invader in a cyberspace?
Azarov : You see that the common name of our group is Cyberwar-Netwar in the
Information Age. No-one really knows what is meant by the Information Age, but
everyone likes to speak about it. I think that we have to emphasise two questions: first
security is forever and I think intelligence services will also be forever. Secondly, war is
very changeable. No nation wants to relive a traditional war. But in developed
countries, which have an infrastructure, there are still disguised attacks. For instance, I
go to my bank and my account is denied. I intend to go to the cinema but my neighbour
invites me to watch a video of the movie. This is why we have to prepare for other kinds
of attack. If we are cultured people, we have to understand that we have to live in
harmony with other countries, with a mutual understanding of peace and moral values.
This understanding can be very difficult and now we are only beginning, step by step, to
understand this situation. But what are we talking about? We are talking about latent
cyberwar, we are talking about that very wise understanding of information war and we
are talking about strict cyberwar. For instance, there is Interpol. In Interpol there is an
interpretation of areas such as interception, etc. There is no definition in our area, in
general, in international law. What are we doing now is to prepare only the technical, the
definitional understanding of what is meant by latent cyberwar. The result of this we
would like to transfer to international law. And, for instance, if some countries attempt a
cyber action against other countries, we have to act against such actions. And I fear that
the US President thinks that the provision of information from any country to the United
States enables him to do what he wants. That is why I went to the CIA site and bought
the right to the index file, to unopened files and I thought we could have American planes
bombing Kiev. Why? But the President is a very clever man; he killed the next
document and said there is no such definition. But in this definition there is equality
between cyberwar and cyberattacks. Cyberwar is cyberwar and cyberattacks are
cyberattacks. Only Mr. Arquilla talks about this in the Washington Post. In July the
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